sony a7iii vs a7c reddit

Our team at DPReview TV spent the week shooting with the new Sony a7C. People also watch videos or read things online so all these factors matter. A wedding photographer is unlikely to prefer small viewfinder, single card slot, substandard shutter. I can slip the A7C into my pocket with the 20 f2.8 Sony lens. A7C brings new door design. I tend to like the EVF at the center rather than at the side. What's the best camera for shooting landscapes? The same thing DSLR users said about mirrorless camera being to small for big lenses. None of this "film" business! Then we could move on to really important things like building the ultimate rollercoaster and re-heated french fries that taste just the same and just as good as they did when you left the drive-thru 20 minutes ago! DPReview TV: Best enthusiast full-frame mirrorless camera, Sony a7C review: Compact size, big sensor image quality, Sony a7C sample gallery updated, with more shots from compact 28-60mm kit lens, Panasonic S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 Macro OIS sample gallery (DPReview TV), Panasonic S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 Macro OIS sample gallery. A7C has wireless tethering. I agree on the screen design for photography. What does it suggest? @RubberDials: you wrote: "The EVF isn't outdated tech either, it's the same as in the just launched Panasonic S5.". Sony also learn lessons, but unfortunately rather more slowly, which is why they've just introduced, in 2020, a camera with the same truly awful prehistoric ergonomics as the a6000. "The evf on A7C is "shallower" than A7iii, but its good enough for me, even with my glasses on. They did finally get the III animal eye AF, but mostly it’s bug fixes. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing over $2500 and recommended the best. On the other hand if you mainly want to shoot small primes, this form factor might be ideal! @Handsome90: The Sony marketing presentation I alluded to, that compares the a7c to larger DSLRs, suggests that the a7c is a mass market camera, seemingly the first of its kind, to offer FF in a small mirrorless package. I think it is ok. No need to make it smaller. Check out our in-depth comparison to find out. All the processing power you need fits into a circuit board weighing no more than 50 grams, if that. All content, design, and layout are Copyright © 1998 - 2021 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved. With the flexible and responsive touch screen, I find myself composing more on it than using the evf.". I thought when they introduced the 5.76K EVF on the a7Riv that they'd finally realised how important the viewfinder experience is. Interesting theory. The tiny Tamron and Samyang lenses are beautiful on this camera. Here are the full Venus Optics Argus 35mm and 45mm f/0,95 FE lens specs; RUMOR: First rumored Sony A7IV specs: New sensor, 3.69 milion dot EVF, 4k60p, $2499; Let’s speculate specs and release time for the new Sony A7IV. Those two things matter much more to some than owner status or the setting up, handling and the using of the gear - which is a big part of hobbyist photography. The current Leica M cameras are not big but this Sony is even smaller. "I frankly didn't find the difference to be noticeable. Leica's have their valued place in the market, but most do not think of them for the smallest/lightest. The Slow Mo Guys YouTube channel is here to show us using an incredible 1000 fps 4K camera. They literally set up the a7c as the small alternative to DSLRs, again suggesting it as the first of its kind small FF MILC. Sony's FE 35mm F1.4 GM is an impressively sharp and long-awaited pro-level 35mm optic for full-frame Sony E-mount cameras. Exactly what is aps-c users have been waiting for. First: Follow our website on Sept 15 at 2am London time. All Sony FFs up to now, along with those from Canon, Nikon and Panasonic, have been "DSLR-style" - a move obviously intended to help people switching from DSLRs to feel more at home. I never really understand why modern camera with EVFs would be styled with old school prism humps? That's how long Sony used used those. It also explains why humps are still used so much in mirrorless. On the bright side, I view A7C as a camera with Sony RX1R ii full frame compact philosophy, A6600 ergonomics, A9 autofocus, A7III image quality. So down in price goes the a7iii. This camera is aimed at A6xxx users, who have the same 2.36M dot EVF. Also the 2nd sd card slot is really useful. If you’ve followed Sony long, you realize they’re not like Fujifilm, and rarely do firmware updates add meaningful features. The Sony A7 II (above) was a credible choice for video recording, but it lacked the option to shoot in 4K. That said, the cell phone remote is great if you want to take a bunch of shots with the camera in an awkward position.... they need better software and connections likely coming one of these days. Do you also think a7c is a better version of the a7iii? And to get you started, see below for a couple of quick comparisons of the Sony A7C against a competing compact 24MP full-frame camera, the Nikon Z5. Comparison Review: Can VueScan or SilverFast archive your film better? So their presentation slides are not suggesting it’s a smallest and lightest camera with IBIS and aimed at users who prefer compact cameras? In the end, Sony (and us) win! Sony have not added new processor in A7C relative to A7r4 and A6400. So with the form factor dealt with on to… Rangefinder Focus vs. Focus Peaking. I suggest holding the left hand under the lens to balance the combo, like cameras and lenses are designed for - no matter small or large lenses. The rear wheel would have been more useful on the front if cost was an issue as to why a second one wasn’t included. Sony typically wants you to buy the next new body to get these features instead of giving it away for free. But I think when Sony releases a new FF MILC at this type of price, they are going for more than a specific niche...I think they aimed this camera to be more for a larger general market. DSLRs...but that's because they do so much more. A7iii is quite old and slower camera. Not very smart people taking selfies tend to fall off cliffs. Otherwise I’d buy it in a second, but having used both the 5100 and 6300 a lot I know the fatal flaw in not having those two features. Tamron 17-70 F2.8 Di III-A VC RXD field review, DPReview TV: The Blackmagic Ursa Mini Pro 12K could teach mirrorless cameras a few things, Update: NASA's ambitious Perseverance rover lands on Mars and sends back its first images, Avalanche can now convert Aperture, Lightroom catalogs for use with Luminar AI, Hands-on with Panasonic's new 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 for L-mount, Slideshow: Winners of the 2021 Portraits of Humanity competition, Film Fridays: battle of two Medium Format titans - Mamiya 7 vs. Makina 67, Is something going on with Google Pixel cameras? Canon has done this with EOS RP. Richard Katris: If I had it on a tripod, or found something appropriate to sit the camera on, I could use Sony's cell phone remote app. Cell phone holder that attaches to the 1/4 inch screw on the bottom of the camera. The A7III is bigger yes but may be more comfortable to grip (especially if you use bigger lenses), it also has 2 SD card slots for redundancy (extremely important for working professionals) as well as more controls. Recovering details from RAW files is much more pleasant. The best high-end camera costing more than $2000 should have plenty of resolution, exceptional build quality, good 4K video capture and top-notch autofocus for advanced and professional users. Both the A7 III and the A7C are mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras that are equipped with a full frame sensor. I believe you can disable the automatic crop to APS-C. Then you get the full sensor with the vignette. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Many of the comments here seem like someone trying to convince others. This article will cover the differences between the A7III vs A7RIII and how their features compare. Where this camera shines if you are coming from m43/apsc is in modern ports (USB-C/headphone/mic), gyro data, full 4k performance with (E/FE lenses) and high iso performance. Stupid question: Would the lenses for my a6400 work with the a7c, and what effect would it have on them? Portfolio Thoughts R Us: Why argue with "needlessly big camera" and "in fact no one has been complaining it was too big"? Nikon does the same with Z5. I tell the camera before I start shooting what ISO range it's allowed to use, and how I want the shutter speed to relate to focal length. Both cameras with one card slot. For you, again just depends on your particular needs/wants. If you are intending to move to mirrorless and want to partly fund it through the sale of your DSLR gear I would not hold off for another year. Fujifilm X-S10 vs Sony A7C. If you are trying to gauge expressions from 12--20 feet on the 3 inch LCD, you have better eyes than I do. I also chose the a6000 for the small form factor as well- but once I started shooting seriously, size was not a big issue, and rather it was usability and access to better lenses, and then I went to full frame a-mount and the plethora of used zeiss glass, size be damned. //the A7C is almost as bulky and weighty as the A7III//. For me, selfies are "casual" photography, more about commemorating a moment than about taking a great photo. Hamish Gill of 35MMC compares and contrasts the user experience of two medium format titans: the Mamiya 7 and the Plaubel Makina 67. So how does it perform? The Sony a7S III is a 12MP full-frame camera primarily designed with video in mind. Better is in the eye of the beholder. We also know that there is HSS banding on the A7C with the Godox flashes. There are many improvements relative to a7iii ergonomics that more than make up for the missing buttons. If you use the grip to hold the camera, everything will be out of balance. I just don't understand why everything can't be perfect! The angular lines that were once based on limits of manufacturing and materials look and feel out of place to me on these new marvels of technology. However, I would have thought that if such users had advanced in their photography enough to desire a FF camera, that they would also want better ergonomics and a far more usable EVF. There's a reason why you list percentage and not actual amount of size/weight reduction: because it would show just how small the gain was. Check out any smartphone. A7iii could use realtime AF. And I believe every manufacturer finds consumers prefer that too. We are all here debating which is better. @RD, any idea why A7c is also in 47th position? I just question making it look like a old SLR camera's pentaprism with angular lines. Now this has been changed to no one is saying A7 III is too big. But which does he prefer? I also thought that with the a7Riv, they were finally getting a grip (no pun intended) on ergonomics. I would have picked a7c with all its flaws if it had the joystick. I never take my a7ii anywhere (except on predetermined shoots). Anyway there’s no clear winner, it depends on what you’re after. It comes with great specs and features. Both of my cameras have done over 200,000 actuations, and have had heavy use, so cosmetically they look pretty bad, although they still function perfectly. It's probably 1 out of 50 shots I'd take with it on a family vacation. But but but... oh well, I am screwed then! "DPReview TV made this 5.5-minute video discussing this observation and offering theories for what’s going on at Fujifilm. It could still be compact and forgo the similarities with the A6000 that undermine its user experience. Only Leica, in some of their models, still delivering small 35mm format cameras. It is actually very nice camera the A7C. There is no comparison in terms of capabilities. @Thoughts R Us, you also asked where are the mythical users? It has an awful lot in common with the still-available a7 III, with sensor, processor and most key specifications shared between the two models. Follow me on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and chat with me live NOW!!! Good luck mate, hope this helps your decision. The processing power in an iPhone 12 vastly exceeds that needed by a digital camera. I see a real use for the small full frame. A7C has new Autofocus, A7C brings 5GHz wifi. Which is better? That's the chrome body only. I love that the grip on A7C is less protruding. the big question is: Do you love small Pancakes from Sony and Samyang. Although I liked the image output from the second generation of their FF cameras onwards a lot (the first gen. was plagued by color shifts), and I was indeed used to the despiccable menu, I decided that their shortcomings were too many to justify living with the system. If your answer to either of the above is "No," this is not your camera. RubberDials - I honestly don't understand the popularity of the a6000 series, butI agree that things like twin slots, AF joystick, small EVF and small grip don't really bother the type of user that the a6000 is aimed at. Is HSS supported for the shutter speeds between traditional flash sync (1/160) and the EFCS max of 1/4000? Do you mean I can't use big glass on an A7C? And to the OP, if both of these variants are "faux", how should an EVF be placed on a modern camera in order to not be suggestive of older technology? https://cameratimes.org/capa-sony-a7c-is-the-best-selling-camera-in-the-second-half-of-october-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3DeF2kUkHLHmb3mAeu0ocQGIcqWbfS63M4qxmjggPgGh7z_FHIK43bnno, The top 10 most popular cameras of 2020 (according to our Instagram). It comes with a 40x optical zoom-Nikkor glass lens and 80x dynamic zooms, While the focal length of the lens, is about (4-160mm). In terms of making the rear screen smaller and the EVF larger, it may not so much be the screen that's in the way, but the sensor assembly, in which case, cannae do, Sir - or you'd have to have the EVF poking out a lot further towards the back, which may defeat the whole point of the camera. Touch screen is great for picking focus point and replaces the need for joystick. Got the body for $1618 compared to initial $1799. Ricoh has published a development update for its forthcoming Pentax K-3 Mark III APS-C DSLR, citing supply chain issues as the reason for the delay. @Lightright: The problem with comparing taking pictures using your smartphone screen vs using the LCD screen on this camera, is that the smartphone screens are far, far better, in terms of resolution, brightness, clarity, and size. left eyed vs right eyed. A7C splits video from photo settings. And really you have to compare digital mirrorless rather than DSLR, as mirrorless can be even smaller. Yet, they're two of the most popular enthusiast models available today. NexUser: Yes, I'd really like 40+ MP and the ability to see what I'm doing when taking travel location family group photos in which I'm part of the group. That viefinder bump was the reason for me not to get the original A7. Agreed, if you slap a GMaster lens on there, pretty useless advantage. Here's the BCN top 50 from October. Sony should give more information on whether it was challenging to remove that faux prism and have a (faux too...) rangefinder style viewfinder. Like anything else in photography, you want to look at the whole package rather than the body alone. I think it's fantastic. I agree. It's a second device to be kept powered-up and wirelessly attached to your camera -- connections come and go as the camera is powered down, etc. Above all, though, Sony is marketing this camera to photographers and content creators who want to keep things small and light…which includes the new FE 28-60mm f/4-5.6 retractable kit zoom lens. A travel photographer or street photographer is unlikely to pick needlessly big camera. :(. In my view something changing by 20% is significant. We take a look beyond the specs to see what it offers to filmmakers. Is it really such an overwhelming problem for you that Sony have made a more compact full frame camera as a supplement to the current 7 series, so that there are more options on the marked? Sure the bigger the better but they have done quite good job. In fact, I found people tend to look at the LCD instead of lens and it looks weird in the pictures. Given the sensitivity of today's sensors, a maximum aperture of f3.5 or f4 for primes would help keep sizes of lenses down, too. The Lumix S 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 Macro OIS is a tele-zoom lens designed for Panasonic's full-frame mirrorless cameras. When I owned an A6000 I took it to work several times in my messenger bag without realising it. Both great and you can't go wrong with either one. In photography, the display is adequate for its intended uses - degrees of freedom with COMPOSITION. There are a few cameras that do that....Canon just released a video centric one for $3-5K. I mainly shoot an RX10 IV and I feel fine with not having front control dials on it. @Handsome90: clearly when I said "no one is interested in this camera" I was using an expression...not literally meaning zero people are interested, as clearly some will buy this camera and some will like it. I argue A7C is an elegant way to do this. Sometimes there is substantially more useable image circle when you do that. For most part these cameras are not comparable. And you need at lest a 300 mm f:2.8 to balance the high end Nikon and Canon DSRL cameras. So yes it's rather disingenuous to compare the a7c against DSLRs as if that's the only other FF alternative out there. decide on which to give up. by Robert K Baggs. Whether or not twin slots are desirable, or even a necessity, depends entirely on the individual, and the degree of importance they place on their precious images. Sony just announced the A7C, its newest compact full-frame mirrorless camera and a direct successor to 2018's Sony A7III.The most notable thing about the Sony A7C is its size — it's really small. Beyond any doubt, both the Sony A7III and A7RIII are two of the most popular mirrorless cameras that have been released on the market in the past twelve months. A new page on Sony Japan's website is teasing the release of a compact Cinema Line camera set to be released at 11:00am JST on February 24. @Gaix2 How do you feel it vs the original A7 or A7R? Awesome. @Kiril Karaatanasov where did you get it? Check out the photos from their review of the camera, including many taken with the new 28-60mm F4-5.6 kit lens. So when I say that "no one is saying the a7III is too big" again I am using this as an expression...not something literal...and mean that most users are not saying the a7III is too big. Thoughts R UsOK... That Sony a7c delivers in the size department. In this instance, a major design flaw. In this buying guide we've rounded-up several great cameras for shooting landscapes, and recommended the best. Question for you - does the size of the lenses kind of negate the smaller size of the A7C? @TRU Smartphone screens have better resolution, brightness, clarity and size because you aren't just taking photos. Sony a7C vs Sony a7 III: Which is better? Everyone else here knows they got it wrong. The whole camera industry is now a niche compared to what it used to be 8 years go. It's aimed at A6xxx users, and designed to lure them into full frame. Electronics has miniaturized our phones and everything else it's been applied to except our cameras. You made several posts about their presentation slides, where they used a silhouette of a big and bulky camera superimposed to A7c to highlight their size differences. I know it's an old thread but seeing what you think of the upgrade? After using long telephoto lenses handheld for many years, lugging around with the gear far away from my car, I find that the worst enemy is weight: Harder for the body when carrying the gear, and your arms get much faster tired when shooting. Click through to see our picks. Done. The Fujifilm X-S10 and the Sony Alpha A7C are two digital cameras that were announced, respectively, in October 2020 and September 2020. I see a lot of people saying get the A7c for selfies.Spend $2000 for a camera and lens to take selfies. And I think they'd be quite willing to accept a slightly larger camera in order to obtain those advantages. ... Reddit's most popular camera brand-specific subreddit! I think what people like about the A6xxx series is the lower cost, not necessarily the form factor and design. It lacked AF, had a direct viewfinder, used film instead of a sophisticated digital sensor..in short it was small but in no way matched the performance of today's digital cameras. I don't think so. Now make a higher resolution version. Yeah, I don't think it's a VS thing either. This way they can release the Mark II later with the issues fixed and people will re buy it again. Camera obscura, hemp paper, charcoal pencils. Instead, we're getting bloat and weight gain in camera bodies, but also especially in the lens department. The A7 III boasts a 24 megapixel sensor - but so do the A7 and A7II . So buy whichever one gets the A7sIII's menus first, or a R6, Z6, Z6 II (or S5 if you don't need tracking AF) if it doesn't?The C was perhaps a better viewfinder and better menu system away from a big win... Sony's a7C is among the smallest full-frame mirrorless cameras you can buy, and in terms of core capability, not much has been sacrificed for the sake of compactness. I was almost set on Sony A7iii (maybe Riii) but then suddenly they dropped the a7c. But: the EVF is too small!!! I use my phone for selfies, and my A9 for other shots. a7III had a recent price reduction making it currently $100 less than the a7c. Iam also thinking of going from the a7ii to the a7c. You also need space for the battery, the EVF, the LCD, and some decent controls. You are wrong.All Sony A7 camera and A6x00 cameras except the A7siii use the same processor, the BIONZ X CPU as well as the CXD90027GF SoC. That's not the way Sony marketed it. So called 'full frame' is the same old and tiny 24x36 capture area now housed in a large, heavy body. The guts may be similar to the A7III but I think it will appeal to 2 different audiences. But what is outdated tech, or just plain disappointing, is the EVF, the LCD screen, the old menu system, and one card slot. assuming you are tripod mounted...it isn't that hard to pre crop allowing room for you to walk over and get in the photo.....and get in a position so you can predict your composition pretty well as to how the photo will come out. I shoot in NYC sometimes, and travel by commuter train. It's a great shame, because *if* they'd done it right, they could have had a seriously good camera. The LA-FE1 makes it possible to use Sony’s latest AF technology, including Eye-AF, with Sony AF-I, AF-P and AF-S lenses. After shooting with both cameras I definitely like A7III more. Looking for a Sony A7 III vs Sony A7C comparison? You mention Leica...their M10 series is not that small or lightweight. So har its my most used lens. I came from m43 too, and this camera is what I am looking for too. The A7iii can be found for less and is better camera if you want to buy a Sony. RubberDials - If offered a a6000 or a 7DMkii I'd say no to both of them, because as you rightly imply, the image quality of the 7DMkii (which I owned previously) is mediocre, and the ergonomics of the a6000 are terrible.

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